Showing posts with label Matt Moore. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Matt Moore. Show all posts

Your 2017 Giants: Post Cubs World Series Championship

Wow, the Cubs ended 108 years of misery, winning their first championship in most likely all of their current fans' lifetimes (unless there is a 115 year old or so fan out there).  Congrats to the new Champs!

With that comes the first rush of business that the Giants took in the post season.  They signed three players to minor league contracts, two oldies, one newbie:  Kyle Blanks, Ricky Romero, and Jason Johnson (the newbie).  Romero and Johnson had been All-Stars not that long ago, but are recovered from injuries and hoping to return to their careers.  In particular, Johnson is being viewed as a potential reliever (Schulman).  Plus, they released Tony Sanchez, outrighting him to AAA, freeing up a 40-man spot.

There currently are 35 spots taken, assuming all the free agents on the list leaves:  Casilla, Lopez, Romo, Nathan, Beckham (I think he's a free agent), Blanco, Pagan.  I believe we still control Suarez and Hernandez.  I'm not sure who are the five players who will be added out of the prospects, but the Rule 5 draft happens in early December, at the Winter Meetings, if I remember right, so the news will be out in a couple of weeks.

More importantly, they quickly picked up Matt Moore's option for 2017 at $7M (Pavlovic; Schulman; SFGiants).  We still have options for 2018 at $9M and 2019 at $10M.   He will be 28 YO for the 2017 season (Bumgarner is 27).

Lastly, Greg Holland, who had been amazing as a closer for the Royals from 2011-2014, until TJS at the end of the 2015 season knocked him out for the 2016 season.  He's having a showcase soon, in time for free agency (unlike Lincecum's long delayed showcase), and Evans said that the Giants are interested and attending, as will other teams (Pavlovic).  He's 31 YO.  Evans also noted that closer is his major goal for the off-season (Haft) and that it is great that the Giants have so many options available, both in terms of free agents, as well as one-year and two-year trade options available.

ogc thoughts

The Cubs are in a real good position to be The Team of the 2010 Decade, with their 2016 title and all the good young players and prospects they have.  And they won in spite of Jason Heyward's colossal collapse as an offensive player.  But the Giants are not that far off either from continuing to be good, now that they have a rotation of Bumgarner, Cueto, Moore, and Samardzija.  If Cainer can consolidate the progress he made in 2016 - he had a nice stretch of dominant starts just before his hamstring injury, the first good stretch that he had had in years -  or if Blach shows that his great pitching at the end of the season wasn't a fluke (but remember how we all felt after Heston's great 2015, to help temper those feelings), the Giants should make the playoffs again and be capable of pushing it to the World Series again.

Closing the Deal

But it's going to take a closer to seal the deal.  The bullpen is actually in pretty good shape.  We have a lot of good pitchers who might actually be closers in the future:  Law, Strickland, Okert, Osich (plus Smith, Guerrin, and Kontos).  But Cueto is only here for another year, potentially, and so we need a closer for 2017.

Holland would be an interesting choice if he's anywhere near what he was before.  Heck, even if he's not quite what he was before, that would still be better than our closer situation that we have had since BWeez, probably, he was that good (1.86 ERA from 2011-2014; even including 2015 his ERA was a stupendous 2.15 ERA).  Given that he's just recovered and hasn't pitched against live MLB hitters in a game that matters, he most likely will be facing a "prove it" one year deal (which he'll want to leverage into a long term deal), and that's exactly what the Giants would love to get, as that allows them to try him out for 2017, and if he's good, they can try to sign him long-term, and if not (or he's too expensive), it's just one year and our young relievers will have another year of experience under their belt and perhaps ready for more responsibility in the bullpen (particularly Law and Okert).

I could also see a trade happening, particularly for a one-year rental/tryout (a la Nen).  We have some trade pieces that could be valuable to other teams, including Heston, Blach, Nunez, relievers with MLB experience, and a ton of pitching prospects.  Much like how we bundle some current value (Susac, Duffy) along with potential (Bickford, Fox, Santos), that is how the Giants could get a "proven" closer in the trade market for 2017.

Moore is More

Matt Moore was a steal to me when the trade happened, and it continues to be.  Some may point out his poor 4.08 ERA, but in 12 starts, SSS, it was skewed greatly by having to pitch in Colorado, which skews most pitcher's numbers.  Of course, everyone will need to pitch there at some point, but for this exercise, we are trying to see what his real value as a starter is, without a random Colorado bad start messing up his overall stats.  In his other 11 starts, the results were as good as expected:  3.43 ERA, 9.3 K/9, 2.62 K/BB, .306 OBP, .300 SLG, and .606 OPS, with a very average .294 BABIP.  Just like we need to view Belt's stats in light of the fact that AT&T depresses his production, we need to see how Moore normally produces to appreciate his full value.

And, as I stated before, this is nothing against the players we gave up in the trade:  Duffman, Lucius Fox, or Michael Santos.  Duffman will produce good cheap value for the Rays for at least his defense, and perhaps with his offense, particularly since they might be playing him at SS.  But given that he was not that highly valued as a prospect, I feel like the Giants sold high on him.  Fox is the $12M prospect (Giants paid him $6M and about $6M in penalties to get him), struggling with his first season as a pro, but most do, and he still has his superlative speed and good bat skills that might still greatly develop.  But the window is now, and Fox most probably is at least 3-5 years away from producing, and we need good players now, while our core of Bumgarner, Posey, Belt, Crawford, Panik, and now Moore and Smith, are still young and/or in their prime, and not on their downside (though that could be coming soon, as Posey and Crawford are 30 YO next season, and Belt is 29).  Same for Santos, he's a few years away, at best, and given his lack of pedigree, may never develop into MLB value.

For that bundle of average production, potential and long off value, we get a SP in Moore who could become ace level performance (he's done it once before, in 2013, and showed that potential with the Giants).  In the 12 games he started for us, he had a 67% DOM/17% DIS, which is nearly elite level production (I've defined 70%+ plus under 20% as elite), as well as his 9.1 K/9.  He also delivered a DOM start in the playoffs.

He walks more than one would like, but that is mainly because he's pulling a Rueter by avoiding RHH power, which trades off a lot of walks to RHH, but reducing their SLG from league average of .413 to .389, and ISO from league average of 159 to 147, over his career (and I'm using NL league averages even though most of his stats is AL).  With the Giants, his SO% was 23.9%, high for his career, average 21.7%, and 22.3% in his best season (2013).  And groundballs galore:  GB/FB of 0.72 with Giants, vs. 0.64 career, vs. 0.66 in 2013; GO/AO of 0.85 vs. 0.80 career, vs. 0.87 in 2013.

Lots of strikeouts (9+ K/9) plus a good number of ground outs (though that could be improved some; perhaps Righetti can do his magic with Moore like he has with the Giants staff for years now, as Fangraphs noted how the Giants team, even with adjustments, prevents homers at a greater rate than the mean of 10% HR/FB that every pitcher is supposed to regress to) is what you want to see from a pitcher, especially a starting pitcher.   And he's equally good vs. both sides of hitters:

  • RHH:  .242/.325/.389/.714, 147 ISO, .295 BABIP, 32.6 HR/AB
  • LHH:  .241/.315/.364/.678, 123 ISO, .278 BABIP, 37.1 HR/AB

That is great to have in the #3 spot, and most teams would love to have that in their #2 spot.  Our rotation should be close to the great 2011's rotation, particularly if Cain or Blach comes through.  2017 is very promising just from this standpoint.

Rule 5 Draft

Unlike recent years, when the Giants lost players either to Rule 5 (Biagini) or DFA (Smith, Hall), there is not a lot to lose, it seems, this season.  From what I understand, college players drafted in 2013 and high school players drafted in 2012 are eligible to be drafted via Rule 5 if not on the 40 man.  The only names that caught my eye are Dan Slania, Chase Johnson, and Tyler Rogers, who is in the AFL, as there were no HS draftees in 2012 who are interesting.  In fact, the only HS draftee retired after the 2015 season (Shilo McCall).  Martin Agosta, Jake McCasland, Tyler Horan, and Chase Johnson are other possibilities, but no sure things in this bunch, and probably unlikely.

I think Slania is a sure thing, and Johnson and Rogers are strong possibles, and the others are possibles, but unlikely because the Giants need at least one spot for a closer to sign/trade, plus perhaps another spot for a reliever, and another spot for a veteran LF to compete with Williamson and Parker for starting LF position.  With Slania and one of the other two, there goes the five spots open on the 40-man roster.

Your 2016 Giants NLDS: Game 4: Lackey is Perhaps Lacking

My thoughts on Game 4 of NLDS after that miraculous Game 3.  Wow, both Gillaspie and Panik (and Crawford), Law and Blach.  Bochy's gambit of carrying Blach pays off!

ogc thoughts

Funny thing so far is that the Cubs vaunted offense has actually been pretty silent, it was a trio of flukey hits by pitchers (albeit, big blasts off Arrieta and Wood's bats, and Wood is actually a decent hitter in his career, maybe as good as Bumgarner; Hendricks was really lucky) who contributed most of the Cubs offense so far.

Lackey Has Been Good But Not Ace, Especially On the Road

We have some chance against Lackey, despite 2002, as he's not a young guy anymore.  Since he's a righty, as usual, LHH hit him better than RHH, so we have some advantage in that way.  He's also been worse on the road in his career, and by a lot (4.37 ERA this season, 4.18 for his career, 4.58 last 7 seasons).  And he has given up 8 ER in 9.0 IP in his last two road playoff starts.

However, he's been good in SF, but that was in 2006 and 2009, when he was a younger and a bit better pitcher, plus the last time he pitched in SF, the Giants scored 4 runs off him in 6.0 IP in playoffs two years ago.  Plus, most Giants have not hit well against him, and only Nunez has a lot of AB as well as great OPS (1.044) but he's probably not playing.  Everyone else has done poorly, but in one or two games.

And while he has a mixed bag in terms of playoff pitching, overall, 3.11 ERA is pretty darn good.  Still, 4.00 ERA on the road in the playoffs, and, as noted already, Giants scored 4 runs in 6.0 IP against him in SF for the Cards in game 3 of 2014 NLCS.  And that repeats his career pattern of home vs. road, he just does not do as well on the road.

Moore Has Some Good Points

Moore's 2016 Giants ERA is not comparable, but he has a 3.16 ERA in AT&T this season, with 3.0 K/BB and 8.8 K/9, which is comparable.  LHH do hit him better, but I think more of the Cubs lineup is RHH.  And per PQS, he had 4 DOM starts out of 6, for great 67% DOM.

ESPN noted that he wasn't as good since his near no-hitter vs. LA, but that was skewed totally by 1) his bad start in Colorado, which skews a lot of pitchers, and 2) his poor start vs. LA in LA, when he might have been nervous, probably one of the biggest starts in his career.  Take out only COL, and he had a nice 3.44 ERA since that near no-hitter, so he most probably wasn't all that affected by his 133 pitches in the near no-hitter.  And in any case, still had 66% Strike thrown percentage since, which is very good.

On top of that, he had a lot of up and down pitching at home at the start of his Giants career, but in his last two starts of the season:  1.15 ERA, 15.2 IP, 17 K vs. 2 BB, only 9 hits, 71% STR%, .400 OPS, against Rockies and Dodgers, and both at home.  He's hopefully peaking at the right time.  A similar game should put us in the win column.

Today's Game:  Lackey is Perhaps Lacking

So my take:  Lackey is going to be tough, but so will Moore, most likely.  Both have had mixed results in the playoffs, but Moore's was possibly because his arm was already hurting as he got his TJS at the very start of the next season.  But Moore has limited experience either way, but still, at least he has gotten over his first time jitters, hopefully.

While Lackey is a good pitcher, he has been bad on the road, particularly in the playoffs, and we have good LHH in Panik, Belt and Crawford (also Gillaspie), plus Pence and Posey hit RHP pretty well too.  Still, we do better against LHP, not RHP.  However, we have many of the 2014 lineup back, except Pablo and Ishikawa, and possibly Blanco, depends on Pagan's back today.  Gillaspie has been making a good impression of Ishikawa's 2014, but Span is no Pablo.   And while he's been good against our hitters, he has generally been average to bad on the road, and that should kick in some today.

On top of that, aside from the pitcher's driving in runs, the Giants pitching has been handling the Cubs offense with pretty good ease.  Their offense has scored only 5 runs in the 3 games against us, if you take away the pitcher's 6 RBI's.   Sure, pitchers do get runs sometimes, but even during the regular season, their pitchers had 26 RBI's, good for third in the NL (Giants were first).  Bumgarner and Samardzija each had 9 RBI's, and Cueto and Cain each had 5 RBI's (Cubs leader were Arrieta and Hammel with 7 RBI, Lester with 6 RBI, so Hendricks and Wood were flukes, and that HR was a fluke, as well).

Not a sure win - and, of course, none of them ever are - but I think we have as good a chance of winning as the Cubs do, given Lackey's lacking on the road, plus we have home advantage.   And if we win, that's a rematch of Lester vs. Cueto in Chicago.

Good Fortune:  Baloney!

The beauty of the ways the Giants win is that while pitching and defense can dominate a game, it results in beautiful randomness where one hitter or another, not the stars, delivers.  That gives the illusion that the Giants are lucky, with guys like Ross, Ishikawa, and Gillaspie delivers, that it is good fortune.  (if you haven't guessed, I got into it with someone on this, on Twitter)

And sure, there is a lot of randomness in baseball.  But given that the Giants had good fortune THREE times in five years, per their argument, it strains incredulity that they got lucky so many times.   Unless, of course, you want to take the lame way out as Billy Beane does and say that it's all random luck in the playoffs.

And what wasn't random is how the Giants have been run in the Sabean era.  They have planned for the structure of their roster and trading M.O.  They have focused the vast majority of their drafting bullets on pitching.  Both in terms of first round picks, and in terms of total number of pitchers drafted in each draft.  They have also used that pitching to make judicious trades over the years, netting us players like Nen, Livan, Schmidt, Snow, Winn, Pence, Lopez, Pagan, Peavy, among others.

More importantly, the Sabean Brain Trust has been excellent in deciding who to trade and who not to trade.  Wheeler is probably the best SP to get away, Foulke the best reliever (Nathan is an asterisk because he was actually a good reliever for us when he was traded, and we did get a good left-handed defensive and offensive catcher in return), and now Duvall might be the best hitter to get away.  Look at the list of players we got in trade for pitching prospects, top of all is Schmidt, but also players like Pence, Nen, Livan, Peavy, who have done well for us.

There has been articles over the years discussing how you don't want to trade with Sabean.  Making great calls over the years, until the drafts started paying off, once they started losing and getting good to great draft position, netting us Lincecum, Bumgarner, and Posey in consecutive years (and Wheeler in the following year; he netted us a rental of Beltran).   Then building a variety of core strengths mostly through player development during this golden championship period.

We have basically had three cores supporting recent good times, overlapping, of course.  First core was our starting pitching - Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, Sanchez - covering 2009 to 2012.  The second core was our bullpen:  Affeldt, Romo, Casilla, and Lopez; which covered 2010 to 2014.  Third core was our hitters:  Posey, Pence, Belt, Crawford, and Sandoval, 2012 to 2014.   The common denominator among most of them:  they were prospects the Giants developed, with 9 of 13 being home-grown, two free agents, two trades.

And change has been afoot.  The starting pitching has gone through a transition, and we are set for at least 2016-17 with Bumgarner, Cueto, Moore, and Samardzija, perhaps longer if Cueto stays with us.  The bullpen core started breaking up with Affeldt leaving after last season, and all three are with no contract after this season.  I can see Casilla being resigned, not as much Lopez (age and effectiveness) or Romo (probably too expensive contract, he got $9M this year, he would have to take a big cut to stay).  Unsure who the new core is, but right now it is Strickland, Law, Osich, Okert, Guerrin, and Blach probably pitched his way into at least long relief, and perhaps into the #5 pitching slot, though if Cain is anywhere healthy and relatively effective, he'll get that final slot given his $20M contract.  Some Giants fans like to complain about Cain's contract, but we got all that value from him before he was a free agent, plus also had signed him to a lower long-term extension pre-free agency, so we saved there too.  Panik is now part of the hitting core, starting in 2014.  It is hoped and assumed by many that Arroyo will join the team sometime in 2017 as starting 3B.

Good fortune that was the result of planning and execution of the plan over the years, building up a strong pitching and fielding team almost every year, supplementing via trade and free agency.  Around the main core of Posey and Bumgarner.

And I think people suffer from cognitive bias too.  Nobody notices that the team won due to an error or bench player's hit when the pitching is bad enough that instead of winning 3-2 or 2-1, you lose 6-3 or 5-2.   That's the flaw in analysis people get stuck on when they push off the Giants feat as "good fortune".   Plus they focus on the "luck" of Gillaspie hitting a triple off of Chapman, but how about Arrieta hitting a 3-run homer off Bumgarner?  How about that luck?  Take away the two plays and the Giants won in a 9 inning game, no crying about luck and good fortune.

So remind me not to engage people on social media.  That's what got me into the dark pit with the tweeter.  Social media is the opposite for me, I just run into all this bad thinking or just bad (I was just looking at tweets that a lame-boy in Chicago tweeted that were sexually offensive to my of the tweeters I follow, and then he blamed his 15 year old cousin for them;  apparently he's on an anti-bullying committee, and realized that those bad tweets might get him let go, but he forgot about all the other tweets ("jokes") that exhibited the same type of sexual offensiveness that dot his twitter timeline for years) and I find myself wanting to be less social.  I guess that's why Twitter is sinking while Facebook is growing.

Your 2016 Giants: Playoffs

I don't have a lot of time to write before the start of the playoffs with the Cubs, so I took a comment I left on baseball monk a few days ago, and repurposed here, of course, with new edits, as I was also writing in reply to the original article.


ogc thoughts

I agreed with baseball monk about the starting rotation, that it is the best in baseball.  This is the reason why I loved the Giants signing Smardzija and Cueto, and then trading for Moore.   As baseball monk noted, it is arguably up there with the rotation of 2010, which he felt was better because they got it done.  baseball monk compared the two staffs:

  • #1:  Lincecum vs. Bumgarner
  • #2:  Cain vs. Cueto
  • #3:  Sanchez vs. Moore
  • #4:  Bumgarner vs. Samardzija

#1:  Lincecum vs. Bumgarner

I think for #1, knowledge of the future, as well as SSS, were clouding some of the analysis. Lincecum was coming off two straight years of Cy Young-ness, and had another magnificent year. At that point, he had always had a month of meh-ness sprinkled in, and his in-season implementation and execution of the changeup in August 2010 suggested that he had years more of dominance.

And who had a 3.79 ERA, pitching so bad that he had his start skipped in the middle of the playoffs? Bumgarner pre-2014. So was 2014 a fluke or his 6.00 ERA in 2012?

Still, comparing each point in time, I agree you have to go with Bumgarner in 2016, solely because he has had success in the playoffs, and Lincecum up to then, had a history of tightness in his first time experiences, which could haunt him in the playoffs (didn’t, probably because September was like one long month of playoffs) and World Series (did).

#2:  Cain vs. Cueto

I think for #2, in addition, you are also mixing in known performance vs. possible. Cueto has had a history of clear dominance in the regular season over the past few years. Cain in 2010 was considered a good but not great starter. I think baseball monk was counting his great playoff run to 2012 into the equation.

Based on regular season work, Cueto is head and shoulders above what Cain had done up to 2010, and Cain had no playoff experience at that point, whereas Cueto right now has a playoff history, though, frankly, it’s been spotty to poor, even last season. Though Cain was inexperienced entering 2010 and Cueto is experienced, it is because Cueto has been such a mixed bag that I would rate Cain above Cueto for #2, because he was so steady all those years leading up to 2010 playoffs (of course, Bumgarner was a mixed bag after two playoff seasons, and we all saw how great he was in his third one, in 2014).  So again I agree, Cain 2010 was better.

#3:  Sanchez vs. Moore

For #3, first, I would have compared Bumgarner with Moore, not Sanchez, because he was arguably better already, but maybe baseball monk was going with Bochy’s rotation, which had it Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner in the Braves and World Series, and Sanchez got the call for #2 in the Phillies series, and based on that, I can see the point. That’s a quibble on my part, I admit.

I think it’s clearly Moore over Sanchez, mainly because Moore has had a much better pedigree and acknowledgement in the league than Sanchez ever had. He might have similar wildness, but 2010 was Sanchez’s one and only good year, and while Moore has a similar spotty record, he has had a much better projection profile than Sanchez ever had. Plus I got a Jason Schmidt type of feel coming from Moore.

And as baseball monk aptly noted, Moore already has playoff experience (relatively good), and is a more mentally stable player than Sanchez ever was.  Moore is definitely better here, and I would say better than Bumgarner had he been the comparison point, because 2010 was Madison's first year, he was a very unknown quality at that point (though us Giants fans loved him to pieces, that didn't mean that he would necessarily turn out to be as great as he turned out to be), whereas Moore has a lot more history.

#4:  Bumgarner vs. Samardzija

For #4, Bumgarner vs. Samardzija, I mostly agree with what baseball monk wrote. Mostly because of the Shark’s up and down season, along with his up and mostly down career as a starter. So I see why he had the comparison as a toss-up.

One thing that tips it to Samardzija’s side, for me at least, is that mid-season, while in his down period, it was revealed that for some inexplicable reason, he dropped his curve when he converted from the bullpen to the starting rotation, which is the complete opposite of any other reliever-starter conversion, as generally you want more pitches as a starter than when a reliever, and that last incredible up you noted was the result of him adding his curve back into his repertoire (plus I think Fangraph analyzed his pitches, and found that he also dropped a pitch that wasn’t working for him). For that reason, I rate him above 2010 Bumgarner.

2016 NL Playoffs

I would also add in the fact that Samardzija has a history of being a great closer, and Bumgarner’s great relief game vs. KC, and those, plus the above rotation comparisons tips the rotation in 2016 as being better than the 2010 rotation, at least in my eyes.  And I just realized, looking through the four comparisons, that the individual comparisons for baseball monk and myself add up to 2016 being a better rotation, as well as being the best rotation in the NL playoffs.

As good as the Cubs are in 2016, the Nats were considered similarly good in 2014, and the Giants arguably played better in the regular season than they did, and it was the bullpen blown saves that cost us there.   As I've tried to show over the years with PQS, it is great pitching that overpowers great hitting, no matter how great they are, in a general sense.  Our rotation might not have been great in 2014, but they were good enough for DOM starts when we needed them, outside of Bumgarner.  And Madison carried us on his back in the World Series, his relief appearance would have qualified for a DOM start had he started.

On top of that, the Giants took on the Cubs, Nats, and Dodgers OK this season.  Basically broke even.   And each of these other team has problems with LH starters, and we got two of them, plus a number of lefties in the bullpen.   On top of that, I think the offense was returning to normal in the last week of the season.

The offense won't look great in the playoffs, but generally, better pitching will dictate that.  They just need to be relatively better against the opposition, then the opposition is against our pitchers.   And all of our starters are capable of whipping out a double digit strikeout start and go deep into the game while giving up only a handful of hits.  I like our chances of flying through the playoffs and not having to face elimination at any point.

I think we'll have the most problems with Chicago, both because they are good, as well as because it is a five game series and they got home advantage.   While I like our chances, it will not be easy, so Go Giants!

Note:  Giants Roster for Cubs Series:

The position players for the NLDS: Posey, Brown, Belt, Crawford, Gillaspie, Nunez, Panik, Tomlinson, Blanco, Hernandez, Pagan, Pence, Span.  Nunez replaced Adrianza.

The Giants went with 12 pitchers: Blach, Bumgarner, Casilla, Cueto (Game 1 starter), Kontos, Law, Lopez, Moore, Romo, Samardzija, Smith, Strickland.   Blach replaced Okert.  Moore took Parker's spot, as the Giants go for more speed off the bench (and in the lineup, apparently, both Hernandez and Tomlinson are starting game 1, while Span and Panik sits).

The starting pitching matchups:

  1. Cueto vs. Lester
  2. Samardzija vs. Hendricks
  3. Bumgarner vs. Arrieta
  4. Moore vs. Lackey
We are pretty evenly matched in each game.   As uneven Cueto has been in playoffs, so has Lester.   Meanwhile, Hendricks was not that good last year, though to be fair, he's been a much better pitcher this season over last.  Samardzija has nothing much of a playoff record (played for Cubs, A's and White Sox) but has been pitching really great since rediscovering his curve.  And while Arrieta had DOM starts, he didn't pitch well enough in 2 of 3 starts last season, when he had his great season, whereas he regressed this season.  While facing Bumgarner, who he publicly said is "beatable".  And Lackey has been up and down over the past few seasons as well, while Moore has been up and down in previous playoff stints.  So other than Bumgarner's game, we look pretty evenly matched, so it should be a good series, with Bumgarner being the edge for us, potentially, once again.

2016 Giants: August PQS

This post has the Giants Pure Quality Start scores for the month of August 2016, PQS as defined in Ron Shandler's Baseball Forecaster annual book and they published the details here (unfortunately, they removed the article; this link gets you at least to the PQS definition, read down to middle for details). I wrote on this first in 2006 (wow, 11th year of this!  10th anniversary!) and have compiled their stats on a regular basis, so I'm continuing it this season for continuity and historical comparison (there is the "PQS" label that you can click to see the old posts on this). Regular readers can skip to the next section.

This is the Quality Start with a sabermetric DIPS twist, and it gets really easy to calculate once you get used to it. I don't think it's the end all or be all, but then nothing really is that. It is, as I like to say, another piece of the puzzle. A dominating start is scored a 4 or 5 and a disaster start is scored a 0 or 1. DOM% is the percentage of starts that are dominating, DIS% is the percentage of starts that are disasters (any start under 5.0 IP is automatically a 0, or disaster).


What's Good and What's Not

From my observations, a DOM at or above the 40% mark is indicative of good pitching; above 50% is great; above 70% is elite. A low DIS is also indicative of good pitching, just look at the table in the link above showing DOM% and DIS% on the axes.

Basically, you want to see a pitcher's DOM% to be over 40% and ideally over 50%, and you want their DIS to be under 20% and ideally under 10%. For example, Johan Santana has a 76% DOM and 3% DIS in 2006 (2.77 ERA), whereas Orlando Hernandez had a 52% DOM and 28% DIS (4.66 ERA), and Adam Eaton had a 31% DOM and 31% DIS (5.12 ERA). Read the link (unfortunately, they removed the article and thus the table is no longer available, sorry), as I noted, there's a nice chart there showing the combination of high DOM% and low DIS%, and there you can see particularly how a low DIS% is so important to a low ERA.

If you had to chose a high DOM% or a low DIS%, pitchers tend to have a lower ERA when you have a low DIS% vs. a high DOM% (obviously if you combine both, you have a much better chance of having an elite pitcher).  But I think when the DOM% is high enough, you win more by choosing a high DOM% over a low DIS%, as there are more high quality games pitched overall.

I wholeheartedly recommend buying Baseball Forecaster and learning more about their methods of analyzing baseball. It has been greatly illuminating for me, and if you want to get a taste for it without paying full price, they used to sell their old editions of their annuals on their website for half price or less (plus shipping); but that was before he sold the company off, and I haven't checked recently.

Giants Starters' PQS for 2016 Season

Madison Bumgarner- (75% DOM, 0% DIS; 21:0/28):  2, 5, 2, 5, 5/5, 5, 4, 5, 5, 5/5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 2/5, 5, 3, 5, 5/2, 5, 5, 3, 3, 5/

Matt Cain- (27% DOM, 40% DIS; 4:6/15):  4, 0, 0, 3, 3/0, 5, 5, 5, X//0, 2, 3/3, 0, 0/

Johnny Cueto - (63% DOM, 7% DIS; 17:2/27):  4, 4, 5, 3, 5/3, 4, 4, 5, 4, 5/3, 5, 5, 5, 2/4, 5, 1, 5, 2/4, 2, 3, 3, 5, 0/

Jake Peavy - (48% DOM, 29% DIS; 10:6/21):  3, 0, 2, 4, 0/3, 3, 5, 0, 4, 4/4, 4, 5, 4, 0/5, 0, 4, 3, 0//

Jeff Samardzija - (67% DOM, 19% DIS; 14:4/21):  3, 4, 3, 4, 4/5, 4, 4, 5, 5, 3/1, 0, 4, 0, 2/3, 5, 2, 1, 2/4, 2, 5, 5, 5/

Albert Suarez - (43% DOM, 29% DIS; 3:2/7):  //4, 3, 0, 4, 3/5/0/

Matt Moore - (83% DOM, 0% DIS; 5:0/6):  ////4, 4, 4, 3, 5, 4/

X - Cain had a disaster start, but was dealing when hamstring went out, not counting in PQS stats

Giants Season overall - 58% DOM, 15% DIS out of 104 games counted (60:16/104)
Giants Month of April - 48% DOM, 16% DIS out of 25 games counted (12:4/25)
Giants Month of May - 79% DOM, 7% DIS out of 28 games counted (22:2/28)
Giants Month of June - 56% DOM, 19% DIS out of 27 games counted (15:5/27)
Giants Month of July  - 46% DOM, 21% DIS out of 24 games counted (11:5/24)
Giants Month of August  - 52% DOM, 14% DIS out of 27 games counted (14:4/27)

August continued the slide in the rotation that had started in June, with our two horses, Bumgarner and Cueto faltering, and without the addition of Moore providing a huge boost, it would have been a pretty bad month, worse than July, and probably worse in my tracking of these stats.

Moore led the way with 5  DOM starts, followed by Samardzija with 4 DOM.  Bumgarner only had 3 DOM, Cueto only 2 DOM.  Cain and Suarez both had 0 DOM (to be fair, Suarez only had one start, Cain three).

Samardzija continued to turn things around some, at least.  Instead of the 3 DIS starts he had in June, he only had the one in July and zero in August, plus boosting his DOM to 4 in the month.

Cain led the staff with 2 DIS starts, and Cueto and Suaraez also had 1 DIS start each.  Everyone else had 0.

The stories of the month were Bumgarner, Cueto, Moore, Shark, Cain.
  • Bumgarner because he sputtered some.  Most SP would love to have a 50% DOM month with 0% DIS, but he got BABIPed some and ended up with a 4.14 ERA.  With a 9.0 K/9 and 2.85 K/BB, he did well in his peripherals, so he should be good to go, but still, in terms of the standards he has set, this was a poor month for him, as we needed someone to get us out of the post-All-Star funk, and he didn't deliver.
  • Cueto because he continued to sputter.  It appears that he has started his second half downward trend that I had posted on previously, based on this and continuation of this into August.  He at least turned it around some by the end of the month, and continued it into September with a string of 3 DOM starts in 4 starts.  Still, he had a 4.38 ERA for the month.  But a 7.8 K/9 and 4.00 K/BB shows that his peripherals are doing OK.
  • Moore helped save the month for the Giants starting staff, coming in with 5 DOM starts out of 6.  Unfortunately, his wildness early - most likely due to nerves of the trade and wanting to impress his new boss and teammates - cost him with a LOT of walks.  Still, 5 DOM starts led to his sterling 3.16 ERA, so it didn't cost him that much, only resulting in his poor 1.71 K/BB, but he had a great 8.8 K/9, and he was only one out away from a no-hitter in one of his starts.  
  • The Shark continued to improve and, not only that, reached the heights of where he was at the beginning of the season.  Per an article during the month, he credited it to him returning to using a curveball again.  Incredibly, when he moved from the bullpen to the starting rotation, unlike other pitchers who would add a pitch to his repertoire, he actually dropped the curve from his.  The Giants had him add it back into the mix.  He would have led the staff in DOM starts if not that Moore had more, but did lead the staff with a 2.76 ERA.  However, he only had a 7.2 K/9 and 2.60 K/BB.
  • Cain could not find his bearings in the minors, after getting DLed, and continued to struggle to find his form in the majors.  It was not his stuff, he had a 9.9 K/9, but he was very wild, leading to only a 2.14 K/BB in spite of that high K/9, leading to a very bad 7.23 ERA.  Then he got DLed again, but this time, upon his return, he ended up in the bullpen instead.  Many were down on the Cainer, but he unfortunately needed spring training to get back his throwing form, and he was still searching when he got placed in the bullpen.  I think he should be fine with a full winter's rest and 2017 spring training to get in shape again (barring another injury, natch).  It could be his last season, as it's the last season on his contract, though there is a buyout and it is large enough that the Giants could decide to keep him around longer.  It depends on a number of factors:  1) of course, how he does in 2017; 2), how Cueto does and whether he opts out of his contract, and if the Giants then re-sign him or not; 3) how our SP prospects do.  With Bickford traded, Beede is the most likely to ascend in 2018, but Blackburn, Andrew Suarez, and perhaps Blach, could also pressure to get a SP spot.  At least the Giants got Bumgarner, Samardzija, and Moore signed (well, I think Bumgarner will have the team pick up his option in 2018, and perhaps instead sign some sort of long term deal, in place of it).    
August 2016 Comments

I will keep it shorter, since September is almost half over as it is.  Work has been very busy this summer, on top of everything else, so I've been putting in even more overtime.  Plus, I'm not worried, like I was not worried in 2014, as while the Giants have been doing up and down, I know that the Giants were not going to keep on winning so much and was glad they were putting wins in the bank.  I didn't expect such a huge collapse, especially when there were not that many injuries this summer, but with injuries setting back Panik, Pagan, and Pence, and Span's and Belt's hot and cold streaks, it was enough along with the SP overall struggles for the team to hit bottom.

It did not help that our two co-aces, Bumgarner and Cueto had mediocre months, Cuetio in particular, as Bumgarner was affected by bad BABIP hurting him.  You can't expect good results when your two top guys get a 4.2+ ERA together, the Giants went 3-3 with Bumgarner and 2-4 with Cueto.

But the offense hurt chances by not winning games when Samardzija and Moore were  pitching.  The Shark gave up 3 ER or less in 4 of 5 starts and the Giants went 2-3 with him, losing 4-3 and 2-0.   With Moore, the team was 3-3, losing a game 2-0, else they would have been 4-2 with him starting.

Still, the offense averaged 4.44 runs per game, so it was more the pitching that cost the Giants in August, that's more than enough to win a lot of games, not go 11-16.  Per Pythagorean, they should have been more like 14-13 or even 15-12, so they didn't win as much as they should have.  Just winning those games for Shark and Moore would have turned the month to 14-13, still in the NL West title race instead of games behind now.   Plus we got nothing from our fifth starters, to go with the poor co-ace production, for most of the month, only turning things around late in the month.

While the starting rotation appears to be heading into 2010 shape, with at least 3-4 of them dealing in each rotation turn (though we don't have a Zito-type holding up the end, surprising how useful he really was, unlike what a lot of naysayers were saying, neither Cain nor Suarez have delivered anything from the #5 spot so far), the bullpen has been a source of frustration due to a number of blown saves.

Bullpen Transition

While I appreciate the angst about the screw ups, that's part and parcel of this transitional year for the bullpen, that started in ernest with Affeldt's retirement, but really started during last season with Affeldt's struggles and the bullpen's DL stints during that season.  We had Strickland, Osich, Broadway, Hall, and Guerrin make their auditions to hold a spot in the bullpen last season, and that process continued this season.  And, needless to say, when we got young prospects up here, you are going to have struggles now and again, as they are not proven, like Affeldt, Lopez, and Ramirez was when we acquired them, or BWills by the 2010 season.   And perhaps we were spoiled by how quick Romo and Casilla came in and dominated, from the get go.

It should be getting better next season.  It is getting pretty close to a new Core Four, especially with the remaining Core Four contracts ending after this season, with Romo, Casilla, and Lopez ending.  Right now, we got Kontos, Strickland, Smith, Law, Osich, Guerrin pretty much locked in for next season, the only questions being Law's health and Osich's health/performance.  Osich's hiccup this season is probably what precipitated the Smith trade, though that hole really opened up last season with Affeldt's poor season.

So the question then becomes, who, if any, of the Core Four gets resigned?  I expect Lopez to be gone.  He hasn't been effective this season against LHP, which could be due to SSS, even more so for a Loogy, but he's old too.  He wants to pitch next season, so I assume he's moving on.  Romo could be signed, but he got $9M this season, and if he wants that again, he's gone too.  Plus together, that's $14M saved off the budget, probably gets us back under the penalty threshold for the budget.   Casilla is still throwing heat, so if he's OK with what he's been getting, we will probably sign him to a 2 year, $12M deal again, else I think he'll be gone.

So who gets that last spot?  Casilla most probably, but I'm not aware of who is a free agent this season, so perhaps they kick a tire here and there.  I'm hopeful that if Lincecum is OK with a minor league deal and with being a reliever, that he might return here, but I just don't really see him coming back to the Giants, given the lack of space for another reliever plus the number of good arms in the minors, like Okert and others.  I think he will seek out Seattle first.   But I expect him to return here at some point, the Giants seem to bring back vets frequently enough that it seems probable.

Will Smith Has Done Well Overall

Speaking of the bullpen, how about Will Smith?  Some might look at his stats with us and see a 4.50 ERA reliever and get mad about losing all those players for him.  Take away his first appearance, though, when he admitted to nerves, and you got a 3.09 ERA reliever in 17 appearances, 11.2 IP, 9 hits, 8 walks, 16 K's, 2.00 K/BB, 12.3 K/9 14 scoreless appearances, unscored upon in his last 10 appearances.   That's what we got him for, for the most part, except for all the walks.

I'm still excited to have him in our bullpen, still OK with the trade (when viewed in context of what we gave up to get Smith, Moore, Nunez; still weird to me that Bickford was in this trade and not the Moore trade).   I'm only frustrated that he's clearly an Affeldt type reliever who handles both RHH as well as LHH, but Bochy has used him more as a Loogy so far.  Might even have even better stats with us had Bochy done that, as he's been better against RHH this year than LHH.  Hopefully he will be used in a greater role if we get into the playoffs, which, at the moment, we got a wild card spot.

Moore is More, More or Less

Speaking of trades, how about Moore?  The worry when we got him was that we gave up a lot for him if he pitches like he has mostly pitched since he returned from TJS, but is a bargain if he can return to how he pitched in his one great season.  He had a 3.16 ERA in August, striking out a lot, and, overall, if not for the blip in Colorado, which does that to even the best pitchers, he would have a much better ERA with us than his 4.05 ERA with us suggests.  His ERA hides the fact that he has pitched well or better in 6 of his 8 starts for us, with only two starts with more than 3 ER, and 6 DOM starts out of 8.   So far, he has been far worth the gamble, he was basically our best starter in August, and we would have been even further in the hole in the division race had we had Peavy pitching instead of Moore.

Nunez Good Defense at 3B

Lastly, the Nunez trade.  I've been curious how he would do defensively for us.  Because he has been mostly horrible as a fielder for the Twins, except for a brief stint in LF before (by both DRS and UZR).  We always hear about how our  coaches work with guys and how their analytics team provide info on how to position for hitters, but it is one thing to hear about it, another for it to show up in the stats.  Not that Duffy was horrible at third, but he was only OK defensively at SS by reputation, and he was a great defensive 3B for us.  And, really, Pablo before him, he had his really good moments, especially when he was fit enough and not over weight.

And so far, Nunez's been pretty good defensively, per Baseball-Reference.com, 2 DRS so far, which works out to 8 DRS over a full season, or nearly a win added.  SSS, which really affects fielders, but a good start, you gotta start somewhere.  Plus, he has had good stretches there before, in 2013 and 2015, so it is not totally usual for him, he has done well defensively at 3B previously.  Perhaps getting to stay at one position will help him gain the repetition that enhances his defense.   Plus, it can't hurt that Crawford is next to him, Brandon can probably get to balls Nunez misses, and still get the out.

And perhaps his poor play previously hid how good he could be.  Per UZR, he's been roughly average over the past three seasons, across all the positions he has played, if you look at his defensive WAR contributions, -0.7 over the past three seasons, or average of -0.233 per season.  That is roughly a loss of 2 runs per season.  Part of that is that most of his OF play has occurred in the past three seasons, though nothing this season.  And he actually did very well for the Twins at SS per UZR in 2015, but he was just horrible before.  So he looks like he can be decent defensively in the infield and outfield, per the most recent stats.

And I can see him being used in a utility role next season, much as he was with the Yankees and Twins before.  The Giants recognize the value of rest and been looking for a super-utility guy to handle that, plus be a good replacement should the usual injuries crop up across the lineup.   Particularly since he can be a good leadoff guy, with speed and OBP, plus be speed off the bench, as well as provide some decent double-digit power as well.

So who starts at 3B then?  While I think that's his role, I see the position being open for competition next season, between Nunez and Kelby Tomlinson, with Adrianza also getting a good chance as well, with the caveat about his health, and perhaps Green and Pena if they are still around.  They could always sign a free agent, take a gamble on a player with a good history, but poor 2016.  But I would not bet against Christian Arroyo being a dark horse competitor who could win the position.

Arroyo had a poor 2016 season overall, per his batting line of .274/.316/.373/.689, but his very poor hitting at home (which is a poor hitter's park) is causing people to overlook his .315/.348/.438/.786 batting line on the road, with only 38 strikeouts in 260 AB.  He was not getting fooled as an under-aged hitter there, it is a sign of a good prospect to make AA by age 22, and he is only 21, more than holding his own there on the road, where the average hitter hit .259/.328/.389/.717 in the league and the average pitcher's age is 24.5 YO.

I would also add that Nunez could also be in competition to start in LF as well.  He has been very good defensively there so far, and Pagan will most likely not be re-signed.  I expect the Giants to let there be a competition there, between Nunez, Parker, and Williamson.  Plus Slater, Cole, and Duggar did well in AA, so they will probably get a look too, and Hernandez, assuming he's still around, I see him being a replacement for Blanco next season, as Gregor's contract is up as well, and he will probably get more than the Giants will offer, from another team.  Another transition we will have to go through, as the players who helped us win in 2010, 2012, and 2014 move on.

Other than those, we are set elsewhere in the starting lineup:  Posey, Belt, Panik, Crawford, Span, Pence.

Bench Shuffle

While our bench could be much different, depending on what the Giants decide.  Posey was severely overused this season, part of it seems to be that Belt was healthy and playing, instead of DLing and giving Posey a lot of time at 1B, and the other part was that Brown was not that great with the pitchers.  Part of that was that he got a lot of starts with Cain, Peavy, and Suarez, the worse starters in our rotation this season.  But Cueto and Moore did not do that well with Brown starting either.

As noted, Blanco could be gone, and Parker or Williamson could win the starting LF role.  And Adrianza could finally be cut loose if the Giant tired of his brittle frailness, he's been very Fragile.   Nunez could start but he could just as easily be a super-utility player.  Tomlinson could also be on the bench as well, but with one last option, he could end up in AAA once again.  And then there is Gillaspie, Green, and Pena as possible bench players as well.

As a sign that it might just be the Giants that help guys be good fielders, Gillaspie has been horrible on defense per DRS, he has never had one season at any position with a positive DRS, and only 3 with 0 DRS, but covering a total of 10.0 IP, so nothing really at all, but this season, he is very positive for both 1B and 3B with good amount of playing time at both.   His OPS would even be a high for him this season, if he can keep it up, for any season with at least 180 PA.  That with some power and good batting eye, as he don't strike out that much (oddly, though, he has a very low BABIP, even though he hits hard enough for a good ISO; get his BABIP up 20-30 points and he would be a very productive bench player), leads to a relatively productive bench player for the Giants.  So he might stay around for another season on the bench, assuming he is not a free agent after the season, he still has two more arbitration years, so we got him if we want him.

Your 2016 Giants: Trade Deadline Deals: Goodbye Duffman!

(Apologies for the delay, been battling headache every afternoon since last week; I wrote most of this before it was announced that Peavy was moved to the bullpen, and finished up the Moore trade discussion today)

Wow, go on a short break and things just fall apart:  the Giants have been stumbling greatly since the ASB.  I was going to write on the decline of both Cueto and Samardzija as the season progressed, but given the trades made, to address this great decline overall for the team, I felt that took precedence.

The trades made:
  • Eduardo Nunez, utility infielder for the Twins, was acquired for LHP Aldaberto Mejia
  • Will Smith, LHP reliever for the Brewers, was acquired for RHP Phil Bickford and C Andrew Susac
  • Matt Moore, LHP starter for the Rays, was acquired for 3B Matt Duffy (Duffman!), SS Lucius Fox (Batman!), and RHP Michael Santos 
The Giants control Nunez until 2017 (will probably sign him to a 2-3 year deal after the season, I would bet, something like the one Blanco signed before), and Smith and Moore to 2019.  Even better, Moore is signed to an extension deal giving the Giants team options of $7M, $9M, and $10M, so he's a relatively cheap SP option for us, and rounds out our rotation.


ogc thoughts

A series of stunning trades made it imperative for me to write on this although I have had a splitting headache in the afternoon for days now.  I'm going to take a few different perspectives on the trades, both individually and on the whole.

Big Picture

The big picture is that the Giants boosted three key areas with these moves:

  • Lead-off:  you know Nunez, the new starting 3B (but he could be moved to LF, or around the diamond as a super-utility guy, in 2017), will get the leadoff spot sooner or later, he's been hitting well, as well as stealing a lot more bases than either Span (who was acquired to do this) or Pagan (who used to do this).  Bochy does not tolerate non-performance now that we are entering the stretch run, and once Nunez earns Bochy's trust, he'll be up there.  And he fits the mode of players the Giants acquire in recent years:  makes good contact, which keeps their BA pretty high, plus they can take walks, leading to high OBP. 
  • LH relief:  I love Osich, but he's been up and down, plus now on the DL once again.  The Giants have missed Affeldt's steady goodness that they had had since 2009, plus Lopez has had a down year.  They had to get a LH reliever to fill the void.  Will Smith does that in spades, in a way that modern bullpens are made today:  in the three seasons where he has been established as a reliever, he has a 11.9 K/9 and 3.11 K/BB, great numbers all around.  
  • Starting Pitching:  It has not been made clear yet whose spot Moore takes over (wrote this before announcement), but I'm pretty sure it is Peavy, who has not really pitched well since his June 24th start, 6.14 ERA in 6 starts.  Historically, he would stumble in the early part of the season, then become a quality start (per PQS) machine for most of the second half.  Whether it be the distraction of the theft of some $30-40M from his investments by a crooked investment advisor, or old age, or both, the Giants couldn't sit on that while Cueto (4.26 ERA in last 6 starts; I warned of over working him at start of season), Samardzija (6.29 ERA in last 11 starts; 7.09 ERA in last 7 starts), and Cain (who just got back off DL, had two poor starts before a Cain-esque start) also have their ups and downs.  I assume Peavy becomes the new long reliever, but we'll see.       Plus, given his way of throwing, being able to give his all in 1 IP vs. 5-6 IP might give him enough extra gas to make him a very effective reliever, as he's already good at keeping his walks down.  

In addition, all three are under 30, and the Giants control the pitchers to 2019, and Nunez to 2017, but probably they will sign him to a 2-3 year deal after this season, and use him as a rover around the diamond eventually.

To get these players, we gave up only one major leaguer, Matt Duffy, who has been having a sophomore slump type of year, but I had noticed that he had a very high BABIP last season (.336), which players with speed and/or hard contact can keep aloft, but the question was whether he was enough of either.  So far this year, not so much.  I feel sad as a fan, but part of me feels that the Giants sold high on him.

We also gave up Andrew Susac, who lost his backup MLB job both to injury and poor performance.   I felt bad for him because he grew up a Giants fan, but now he gets the chance to see whether he can be an MLB starting C for the Brew Crew.  And no one can ever take away his World Series ring he won in 2014, nor his memories of it (Frandsen just missed out because he sulked his way off the team).

We also lost three pretty good prospects in Bickford, Fox, and Mejia.  While I like the three (OK, Mejia I've never been that warm to), I didn't view any of them to be sure things in the majors, at this moment.   While surprising that Bickford was not the key future piece in the Duffy trade, looking at the trades overall, only Bickford appears to be one to put a pit into Giants fans' stomachs, but given the commentary that Bickford is viewed by many as a future reliever, that could ease much of that pain.   And again, overall, to get a good MLB middle rotation starter at a great cost-controlled contract for 3+ years, you would expect to give up someone like Bickford.

That he wasn't part of that particular trade, isn't germane in the big picture, in my view.  I would shuffle the trades in this way to make more sense:  Nunez for Susac; Smith for Fox and Mejia;  Moore for Duffy, Bickford, Santos.  This don't make as much sense for the Brewers, but just in terms of value given up for value received, from the Giants fans' viewpoint, these, I think, were better matches, in terms of making sense.

I like the trades, I like the upgrades.  As Kuiper said about the Duffy trade, to get something good, you need to give something good.   I like Duffy and Susac, plus the prospects, but I think Nunez gives us a leadoff hitter as well as defensive flexibility in that he can play SS, 2B, 3B, and I read LF somewhere as well, Moore upgrades the rotation for the next 3+ years, and Smith replaces what we've lost in handling lefties.

Individual Trades

Nunez for Mejia:  I've never liked Mejia much as a prospect, though I was warming up to him this season because his K/9 went up some, leading to pretty good K/BB ratios.  But if you look over his seasonal stats, his high point in IP is 108 back in 2014, though he's about to pass that up this season.  For one reason or another, he has never been able to stay in uniform long enough to get his IP high enough to become a major league starter.  Given how cautious most teams are, he won't get up past 180 IP for another 2-3 seasons (assuming he has another stumble in health or stupidity with drugs along the way).  So the best we could hope from him near-term is relief.

For that, we got Nunez, who has been a good contact hitter, learning his way in the majors, and has speed, and some pretty good power as well.   He's going to be great anywhere we play him, at least offensively.  Defensively, he's horrible in the infield, but he's been average in the OF (probably because of his speed).  So he could be our LF next season, and be a pretty good player for us, who could play infield for us, in a pinch, as needed.  Or he could finally be the super-utility guy the Giants have been looking for (though his very poor infield defense hurts his value in this usage).

Great trade, as well as Mejia has done this season, he still looks, at best, to be a back of rotation starter by most estimations, and still not for a number of years yet, and for that, we got someone who not only could be our lead-off hitter for the next few years, but can play a number of positions, though ideally he's our LF, from a defensive value viewpoint, in 2017 and beyond.  That would mean that Mac and Jarrett will be our bench OF next year as well, and perhaps the Giants have made that call already, will be interesting to see what happens.

Smith for Susac and Bickford:   Smith has beautiful stats for a reliever.  Last 3 seasons, 3.28 ERA, 3.07 FIP, 11.9 K/9, 3.11 K/BB, his main problem is he walks too many, at 3.8 BB/9, but a high K/9 leads to a high K/BB, so that is totally tolerable.  He's been OK against RHH, good against LHH, and really good against RHH the past two seasons, while so-so against LHH, but that could be due to SSS that happens 1) to relievers and 2) facing LHH.   As much as I like (love?) Osich, Smith gives us a steady Loogy type we can go to, and the hybrid proto-closer set-up man that Affeldt excelled in.  If Osich can figure things out, and more importantly, stay healthy, we could have two of them.

We gave up a lot, but nothing critical.  Susac has been injured so much, I'm ready to move on, and wish him all the best getting to start for the Brewers, hopefully some day.  Bickford I was surprised by because of how well he's been doing for us in the minors.  Given the Giants history of being pretty good at keeping the good pitchers and trading the rest, have to think that this means that the Giants do not think that Bickford will figure out enough pitches to become a starting pitcher in the majors, that he'll be no more than a great reliever, in a couple of years or so.  Even if he were able to figure it out and be a starter, he wouldn't reach the majors for at least another two years, if not three, by which time, he'll be still only 24YO.

Fair trade, giving up value now (Susac as starting C) and later (Bickford as good reliever, perhaps starter) to control a very good asset, who I suspect will essentially become our new Affeldt-type of set-up LH reliever who can shut down both RH and LH batters.  Anyone who appreciates what Affeldt had done for us from 2009 to 2014 should appreciate this deal.

Moore for Duffy, Fox, Santos:  Moore had been a good pitcher for a couple of years, interrupted by his TJS.  His stats are not overwhelming, however, given his status, prior to injury, as Ace of the Rays staff.  And really, that status was a bit overblown, as his one great year, 2013, was totally driven by his extremely low and unsustainable .263 BABIP that he had that year (career BABIP of .289 suggests that he mostly regresses to the mean as a pitcher).

I think the positives are multi-fold though.  One is that even with his poor pitching over the past two seasons, his career ERA+ is still good at 101.  I think his 2012 season and 3.81 ERA is representative of his skill set, and I would view most of his struggles since TJS to the adjustment pitchers need to do after TJS.  Another is that with a 3.88 ERA in the AL, his ERA should drop into the 3.6's in the NL, and perhaps better since he faced the high offenses in the AL East more often, plus AT&T helps out LHP much more than RHP, all that combined should improve his stats here with the Giants.  An oft mentioned benefit is that the Dodgers have not done well at all against LHP, and with Moore being slotted in after Cueto, pushing Samardzija into Peavy's #4 spot, ensures that at least one LHP will face LA in each series we play against them (I believe there are 3 more series left).

Some have mentioned his low ERA recently, but that's with extreme low BABIP (.220-something) that is not sustainable.  I think the view should be that we are getting someone who slots in the middle of the rotation well, with the upside that his contract is very cost-controlled for what he can do and now that he's in Righetti and Gardner's hands, what they can do with his skill set, as a lefty with recent 93 MPH stuff and only 27 YO (though still 2 months older than Bumgarner).

This is an indictment, however, of the SP prospects that we currently have in the minors, since Moore takes the opening of one spot that would open up after Peavy's contract ends after this season.  The next rotation spot opening would be Cain's and perhaps Cueto's after the 2017 season.  It appears that the Giants have determined that there are probably not one prospect SP who would be ready to take a rotation spot for the 2017 season (meaning they don't think Blackburn, Beede, Blach, Mejia, Bickford, or Stratton are near ready yet), and this move punts the decision forward to 2018.

This is also an indictment, in my opinion, of Fox's abilities to make an impact in the majors.  He has done horribly so far in Augusta, albeit, it is only his 18 YO season per Baseball-Reference.  One respected analyst feels that there are still a lot of positives to Fox as a prospect, and that is probably a large part of the story line selling this deal to Rays fans, getting the $6M (nearly $12M considering the penalty) bonus baby but one rumor notes that the Rays supposedly will throw in money to cover some of his bonus).   But the Giants under Sabean has very rarely traded away a prospect who then became a very good player, they have mostly known who to keep and who to trade (their infamous "Do Not Trade" list that Sabean has supposedly been keeping on our prospects).  Nobody's perfect, but ultimately, I wouldn't bet against Sabean.

Michael Santos, to me, is a throw-in SP to balance out getting an All-Star ace like Moore.  They had to get a replacement of some sort, even if off in the future.  He's a nice SP prospect, but he's not a strikeout machine, he's a control pitcher who has been excellent in keeping his BB/9 low (very low this year), and each step up the ladder will be that much harder.  That is why he was kept in Augusta this season even though he did OK last season, his K/9 was woefully low, and even this season, not that high, given that he still needs to get through Advanced A, AA, and AAA to reach the majors.

Duffy is the piece that makes losing Moore palatable to the Rays and their fans.  He's the value to make up for giving up Moore, mostly, with Fox being the possible shiny golden future for this deal.  He will be the starting SS for the Rays when he's back from rehabbing from his injury.  That makes him a more valuable trade piece in the Rays eyes then, than getting him as a starting 3B (and, you know, Longoria), although this is just a trial to see how he handles being the starting SS, nothing is set in stone.

The question is whether he's the Duffy of 2015 (and his upper minors performances) or the Duffy of 2016, who has improved in some key ways, but not in the way of overall OPS performance, particularly in terms of power.  In any case, he produced a lot of value already this season from his defense at 3B, and defense is a more reliable value producer, so he is the main get for the Rays to replace Moore's expected value.  He guarantees some significant value back to the Rays in this deal, and was key to this deal being made.

And on the Giants side, Nunez can handle 3B for the rest of the season, but Arroyo has been doing well enough in the minors, particularly in the last month.  Not that Christian is ready to jump to the majors from AA, but the Giants can ham and egg it at 3B until Arroyo is ready:  perhaps Adrianza can keep up his nice hitting this season and, more importantly, avoid the DL going forward, and hold the spot warm for Arroyo.

This is a good trade overall.  I still believe in Duffy, but he has some question marks, which are still unanswered.   Fox is the nice lottery ticket for the Rays that their fans can dream on to make up for losing their ace, but he's all potential right now, hard to squint and see any sure MLB value yet.  Santos could be a nice replacement for Moore down the line, in terms of being a back-end starter, but we need a starter now.  So the Giants gave up some nice pieces, but nothing critical to us winning in the near-term.

Moreover, Moore clamps down a rotation spot for the next 3+ seasons, along with Bumgarner and Samardzija, with Cain's contract ending after 2017 and Cueto's too if he takes his player option (and hopefully he will, because that would mean that he pitched great for us in the two years we have him), with the upside that if his arm is back to prior goodness (he's only recently back to 93 MPH, which is where he was in 2013, before his TJS in 2014) that Righetti and gang can figure out how to bring out better performances.

This move was pushed up from the coming off-season (since Peavy's contract was due to expire) to now, I believe, because of the struggles of Cueto, Samardzija, Peavy, and Cain.  I was surprised to see all the rumors of chasing SP, but now that I dug into the SP stats, it was clear that they needed to do something.   Moore is rightfully the #3 in the rotation based on the past couple of months.  And, as to who lost their spot,  mostly due to contract size, but also because Cain had a nice last start and showing something, Peavy was the odd man out.

Beyond all that, Peavy made the most sense out of the pitchers not named Bumgarner.  While Samardzija has the most relieving experience by far, the Giants invested 5 years and $90M in him to be a SP, not part-time reliever.  Plus what it would do to his psyche and ego, if he were sent to the bullpen, as well, has to be a consideration.  Cueto has been worse, but not horrible like the others.  Cain has been just as bad, but had a very Cain-esque start in his last outing and was Cain-esque before going on the DL, too much promise there to put in the bullpen.

Peavy, on the other hand, in addition to being the only starter not signed to a contract for next season, is the oldest in the bunch and age could be finally getting to him.  It is not a good sign that after years of great second half finishes, he's struggling mid-season.  On top of that, in recent years, he's been mostly good only in the first time or two around the lineup, it is the third time that gets to him often.  In fact, this season, they have been getting to him even earlier, in their second AB.  Relieving would eliminate the 1.024 OPS he is giving up in second AB's, and leave the great .685 OPS that he's been dealing to batters in their first AB.  On top of that, relieving usually gives the pitcher a 1-2 MPH boost, as he don't need to save some for later anymore, which will help him further.  For all those reasons, Peavy made the most sense to go into the bullpen.

Overall View

All in all, Evans added three key elements that the Giants were missing for a long while.  Seems pretty clear now that the Nunez trade was made to facilitate the Moore trade, as probably the Rays were asking for either Panik or Duffy, and the Giants were not moving Panik, so then it became an issue of how to replace Duffy if he's the one going.   Nunez allowed the Giants to pivot and make the Duffy-Moore trade.

Whether that is enough to win the NL West, yet to be seen, as the A's helped out the Dodgers by trading Reddick and Hill to them (but wow, Puig optioned to minors!  Another Cuban bites the MLB dust!).   Still, very good adds, lets see if they can ignite themselves, from these big trades, and get back their big lead, which has dwindled down almost to nothing.

It was at a severe cost - Duffy and Susac from the sentimental view, Bickford, Mejia, and Fox from the prospect view - but if you believe in Sabean and Gang's ability so far to discern who are the must keeps and who are OK to trade (and I do), these are three good trades, nothing blockbuster, but all added key pieces that we have been missing for a long while, good complementary pieces to our core players of Bumgarner, Posey, Pence, Belt, Crawford, Panik, while not giving up the farm to get them.  But it will hurt for a long while to lose Duffman.